Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Green School Buses

Not literally. They're all still yellow, just like always. But this one is a little different under the hood. It has a hybrid engine, and it is the first one in Virginia. There has been some discussion of it in emails and comments, so I thought I'd go ahead and post the information on it here for folks to discuss. Exerpts from the LCPS press release:
The bus will be used to transport students to Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.

The bus runs on a hybrid technology similar to that used in a Ford Escape. An electric motor will run the bus up to a speed of 25 mph with the standard diesel engine kicking in after that.

“We've found on the passenger-car side that the hybrids are lasting a lot longer than a conventionally fueled vehicle because there's not as much wear and tear on the internal combustion engine because the electric motor is helping so much,” said LCPS Fleet Services Manager Josh Lunsford.

“Other than the (hybrid) logo on the bus, the public is not going to know the difference from the bus you currently operate,” said Merryman. (The bus also bears the luckiest number in the LCPS fleet, 777. It was designed to have a distinctive green trim – instead of the usual black – but the Commonwealth of Virginia would not approve the color change.)

And here is the text of an email response sent to a citizen from the LCPS Public Information Office:

There are now a dozen of these buses in use nationwide. That's why the price is so high. It's similar to when personal computers came out 15 years ago. What you could buy for $3,000 then costs less than $1,000 now. We anticipate the cost of these buses to drop significantly as they go into mass production.

The reason we purchased this bus is two-fold:

We're a green school system. Through a concerted energy conservation program covering more than 15 years, we have saved the taxpayers of Loudoun County more than $30 million. Investing in new technology is no small part of these savings.

As a pilot user of these buses we are able to conduct a long-term study of their effectiveness. This will allow us to decide if it is worthwhile purchasing more of these buses when it is time to turn over parts of our fleet. We want to make a reasoned, scientifically based decision when it comes to future purchases.
We did pay a 37.5 percent premium for this bus. Its fuel efficiency is billed as 27.3 percent higher. Given a 12-year lifespan, this could very well produce a net savings. (The varying price of fuel will greatly affect this calculation.) We won't know what it's capable of until we do a long-term analysis.

[LCPS Press Release]

Feb 1st Update from the LCPS Public Information Office:

This bus was purchased with credits received and accumulated when LCPS turned in older, no-longer-useful, buses to Sonny Merryman, Inc., our vendor. We used these credits to investigate a new technology.

Loudoun County Public Schools has a history of stewardship in exploring and implementing sustainable environmental initiatives, including the use of alternative-fuel vehicles. During the past 15 years, LCPS has attained $30 million in cost avoidance through a comprehensive energy management program. Purchasing and testing new technology, such as the hybrid bus, is in keeping with this program.

All of the companies involved in the manufacture of this bus have given us diagnostic equipment to measure whether the bus is living up to its advertised potential. LCPS will be an in excellent position to capitalize on this technology should it prove effective and when the price of the buses comes down when they go into mass production. LCPS has gained significant savings through the years by working with vendors in exploring prototypes.

If the bus performs as advertised, it will use 920 gallons less in diesel fuel and emit 9.5 metric tons fewer carbon expenditures per year when compared to a conventional bus. Should the technology be all its cracked up to be, this could be a huge cost savings and have a positive effect on our environment when, or if, the buses become a standard part of our fleet.

11 comments:

  1. I hope we don't buy any more of these until the "long term analysis" is completed.

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  2. I think your "long-term analysis" has already been done in a previous post:

    Regarding the purchase of these hybrid buses:

    * diesel fuel is about $2.75/gallon
    * there are about 39 weeks of bus usage per year (52 - summer break = 39 - 2 weeks of holidays = 37)
    * assume buses drive about 100 miles per day (just a guess) so 500 miles per week.
    * so 500 miles per week * 37 weeks per year = 18,500/year

    18,500/8 = 2312.5 gallons/year required for diesel bus ($6359.37 @ $2.75/gallon)

    18,500/11 = 1681.81 gallons required/year for hybrid bus ($4625 @ $2.75/gallon)

    The annual savings for the hybrid bus would be $1734.37.

    The additional cost for these hybrid buses is $60,000.

    So $60,000/$1734.37 = 34.59 YEARS TO BREAK EVEN!!!!!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Just for fun, lets assume that prices go to $4/gallon though:

    18,500/8 = 2312.5 gallons/year required for diesel bus ($9250 @ $4.00/gallon)

    18,500/11 = 1681.81 gallons required/year for hybrid bus ($6727.24 @ $4.00/gallon)

    The annual savings for the hybrid bus would be $2522.76.

    The additional cost for these hybrid buses is $60,000.

    So $60,000/$2522.76 = **ONLY** 23.78 YEARS TO BREAK EVEN!!!!! (Still, double the claimed life of the buses in the post)

    This of course assumes that there is no additional cost to maintain the hybrid buses over the regular buses and also doesn't account for the additional cost to finance another $60,000 over some time period.

    It is very difficult to understand how the school board etc can complain about a lack of funds etc and then watch these sorts of (moronic) decisions being made.

    Hybrid technology (or any new technology) must be reasonably priced compared to the alternatives AND save the whales before it can be considered ready for prime time. This is especially true in these very touch economic times. Let the communities that ARE rolling in cash be on the bleeding (expensive) edge, we can get in line once it makes economic sense.

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  3. To be fair, you would break even in only 9.5 years if diesel fuel were to go to (and stay at) $10/gallon for the next 10 years.

    fuel cost diesel: $23,125
    fuel cost hybrid: $16,818.1

    annual savings of hybrid: $6306.9

    (extra cost of hybrid)$60,000/6306.9 (savings per year of hybrid) = 9.5 years to break even

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  4. But wouldn't "break even" just compensate for the ADDITIONAL cost of the bus over a normal bus? Crazy, if you ask me...

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  5. Correct, "break even" is where we just cover the "additional" cost of the hybrid over the regular bus.

    I hope the guys that did the "analysis" on this one weren't educated in Loudoun. If so, we should definitely use that 60K to fund higher qualified staff teaching a more advanced curriculum in math, logic and fundamental business principles.

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  6. And people wonder why we have such a large deficit.

    Yes, I would like a new car, and a hybrid would be wonderful.

    BUT I CAN'T AFFORD IT.

    This is incredibly tone deaf of the School Board, the way they are spending our money.

    We need to cut their budget big time. My tax assessment went UP this year, and with the tax rate increase I am looking at paying several thousand dollars more this year than last... I am incredibly angry to read articles about how my money is being spent on such luxuries that I cannot afford in my private life...

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  7. How many kids ride this bus to Thomas Jefferson? we need such an expensive bus for how many children?

    WHAT A WASTE!!!

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  8. We pay to bus kids to Thomas Jefferson? That's crazier than the Mandarin Chinese classes the school system continues to offer (for what, like 20 kids?). CRAZY!

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  9. There are just so many things wrong with this whole idea and post I don't know where to start. But I'll pick a few points.

    Using a hybrid to drive to Thomas Jefferson High School. I hope somebody at LCPS understands that hybrids don't get better mileage on the highway, only in stop and go traffic. Using this bus for a long haul trip defeats the whole purpose of having a hybrid drive system. Brilliant.

    LCPS fleet manager commenting on the hybrids lasting longer. Total BS because LCPS hasn't owned any hybrid vehicles long enough to know if they last longer.

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  10. How long does it take to get from Loudoun to TJ at 25 miles per hour?

    Seems like these buses would be more effective on regular neighborhood runs, where the bus would run on electric the whole time.

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  11. Waste? What about all the math content teachers (and other disciplines, too) that do nothing in the school system that amounts to much? They have no accountability! What about all the "assistants" the supervisors have at the board office? Clean house at the board office with all unnecessary personnel there! That is a fact and someone needs to look into this.

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