One thing I must make perfectly clear: the Board of Supervisors, as with other properties in the past couple of years, have been driving this land selection and acquisition process. They have consistently met with and taken input from the School Board, but in the end and for better or worse this is the other Board's project.
Supervisor Lori Waters wrote a letter to constituents recently describing the land acquisition process and making the BoS role clear. She refers several times in her letter to "the board" (singular) and its process. The School Board meanwhile has made clear that a school is needed in the Route 7 corridor, and that if the BoS acquires land suitable for a school, we'll build and operate a school on that land.
As part of that letter, Ms. Waters iterated her reasons for preferring the NCC site. In addition, she made the following statement (emphasis mine):
A subcommittee formed after budget deliberations back in 2009 to evaluate whether or not additional school seats were needed in the Ashburn area, which ended with needing another elementary, middle, and high school. As part of those meetings, the subcommittee reviewed all the parcels above 5 acres that are available in the Ashburn area that could be considered for county or school facilities. At that time, the Lexington Seven site was on the list; it was reviewed; and it was eliminated by school staff.I want to clarify that "at that time" in 2009, the owners of the Lexington Seven site were offering a small portion of the site, which was too small to support a high school. The entire property now offered would support a high school and this was verified by school staff to the Board of Supervisors prior to Ms. Waters' letter. I want to note at this point that I attended a meeting for homeowners of the neighborhood adjacent to Lexington Seven a few weeks ago, and they were very clear that they vehemently opposed the use of the site for a school. Again, the School Board takes no position on this subject.
On Tuesday June 7th at Belmont Ridge MS, the Board of Supervisors offers a second public meeting to the community to discuss the sites. I'll be there, school planning staff will be there as well to provide helpful information.
All of this discussion is a good opportunity to reflect on a few issues surrounding the purchase of land for schools.
- We've heard a lot in recent years about the public wanting schools built near existing, not future, homes. Yet as we see here, school planned near existing communities brings out just as many objections as those that are at a distance.
- We've heard a lot in recent years about a lack of transparency being a problem with acquiring school sites in Loudoun. Yet while the HS-8 acquisition process has been the most transparent ever it is just as controversial, and has suffered the same accusations of hidden agendas and insufficient information provided to the public.
- We've heard a lot in recent years about the School Board paying too much for land for schools. Yet the HS-8 land purchase, no matter which property is purchased, will dramatically exceed any cost ever negotiated by the school board, whether you calculate the cost as a whole, per acre or per school.
- We've heard a lot in recent years about building schools without athletic fields to save on land costs, yet I haven't heard too many people in the Lansdowne area arguing that the Board of Supervisors should scale back the size of the HS-8 site and forgo those fields.
We just can't not build schools, so we have to work diligently through the issues, seek solutions to the identified challenges, and place reasonable conditions on our schools through the legislative land use process, just as we would with any developer.This is true. In Loudoun County, unlike every other jurisdiction in the Commonwealth, schools are treated as developers and have to go through a lengthy and expensive legislative process before starting construction of a school site. This was pointed out in a 2007 management efficiency study (document, blog post) of LCPS by outside firm (MGT), which recommended changing that process:
According to division staff, the division is currently spending approximately $700,000 in site studies, consultant fees, and staff time per site to attain approvals. If a “by-right” process were approved, the staff estimates the division could realize a savings in site studies of approximately $100,000, consultant fees of $100,000, and staff time of $35,000, or a total per site of approximately $235,000. If the division continues to build three schools per year, this could easily result in a savings of more than $700,000 per year ($235,000 x 3 = $705,000). [Page 5-7]As a matter of fact, this recommendation was the single largest opportunity for savings identified by the study. Just something else to think about.
do what needs to be done and get that school built so that our kids do not continue to be over crowded in the current schools.... IF the schools had been planned for appropriately in the first place Loudoun County would NOT be in the position it is in with kids being shipped all over the place when there is no room at their home school. That whole practice is stupid anyway! I still would like to know what is going to happen when the state mandates full day kindergarten and we have no seats to support that!
ReplyDeleteYour blog says "We've heard a lot in recent years about building schools without athletic fields to save on land costs, yet I haven't heard too many people in the Lansdowne area arguing that the Board of Supervisors should scale back the size of the HS-8 site and forgo those fields."
ReplyDeleteI believe under the proposed NCC site plan the BoS would take away a large amount of Lansdowne's community parks (not sure the exact size, 10-18 acres I think). The opportunity cost of those fields is effectively a contribution to building HS-8, because Lansdowne is contributing 10-18 acres that otherwise would need to be purchased and significantly increase the cost (and we are losing the priority use of those fields). This is not something that is being overlooked; rather, it's indicative of how much value residents put on getting a permanent high school to solve the capacity shortfall.
On the other hand, I think people are questioning why the BoS and LCPS would pass on an alternate site which would deliver a full HS without the need to give up Lansdowne fields, at roughly the same cost.
Maybe we could back up a little bit here. It doesn't please me that the BOS is in the middle of school siting for the Ashburn and Dulles planning areas, but the "southern shift" that the staff would not let go of and the school board, by their neglect, endorsed would have no students going to their neighborhood high school.
ReplyDeleteThe activism of the parents, aka voters and taxpayers, is what led to the involvement of the BOS. The use of county owned property for two of the three necessary schools is a win for all involved.
Now we have a traffic study for HS8 at NCC that is laughable. The first traffic counters were put down last August - before school was even in session and the back ups on Upper Belmont past the Town Center had even taken place. The next time traffic counters were put down was before we had a plowable snow, and the counters were plowed to the side of the streets. Clearly, whoever described the potential cut through traffic described on pages 8 and 9 has no knowledge of how traffic flows through Lansdowne.
I agree that HS8 needs to be built as soon as possible. If the choice is walking to the NCC site, riding a bus (or a bike) to Lexington 7 or being bused to what will be an overcrowded Tuscarora, I choose either of the former.
maybe if all those kids who are SUPPOSED to walk to Belmont actually did, then the traffic would not be a problem. Keep in mind too that when the new middle school is eventually built that will eliminate a great many buses and traffic to Belmont. So I question the validity of any traffic study~it won't reflect what will really be happening.(by the way, now that the weather is nice, the amount of traffic is less, I should know, I drive there everyday)
ReplyDeletePlease. There is very good reason the BOS is heavily involved in school siting. The established fact that LCPS has made many horrible land deals with connected developers, often signing contracts for well above fair market value. LCPS land acquisition is horrendous. Thank God you have to go through legislative review.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: most of the students in the walk zone are walking or riding their bikes when the weather allows; why are you driving there everyday? Shouldn't your child be on the bus or walking?
ReplyDeleteLoudoun Insider: I read your blog and the comments on your HS8 post (http://www.tooconservative.com/?p=9365) makes it pretty clear why the school board has a role in selecting school sites. We need HS8 sooner, not later
The state is going to mandate full day education? That's the first I've heard of it. I don't think that's even legal. Perhaps you could provide us a link? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteOur benevolent supervisor, Lori Waters spent a great deal of time telling us that the NCC site is what will be the best "for our children and the people of Lansdowne". She failed to tell us that she was puttin her home up for sale and moving to FL. (see Loundoun Times Mirror -June 22). What is Ms Waters true motive for forcing Lansdowne to give up land and live with additional traffic burden for genrations to come?
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